Showing posts with label keynes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label keynes. Show all posts

Saturday, 15 April 2023

Keynes had No Formal Economics Degree - Is There a Lesson Here?

 Like myself I do not hold a degree in economics....and probably just as well !! RS

MONDAY, MARCH 5, 2012


Reference Source 

http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.com/



John Maynard Keynes was educated at King’s College, Cambridge from 1902–1906. In June 1905, he underwent the Tripos examinations, and was ranked in twelfth place. Keynes then spent another year at Cambridge through a King’s scholarship (Moggridge 1992: 82).

By this time, Keynes’s interests turned to economics. He started to read economics in June 1905, with Alfred Marshall’s Principles as a textbook, though Keynes was soon reading Jevons’s Theory of Political Economy. He also began to spend time with the Marshallian economist Arthur C. Pigou, who was now a lecturer (Moggridge 1992: 82). By 12 October 1905, Keynes applied to attend Marshall’s lectures (Moggridge 1992: 95). By November 1905, Keynes had decided he was good at economics, and Marshall was even asking him to become a professional economist (Moggridge 1992: 96). By December 1905, however, Keynes decided to concentrate on preparations for the Civil Service Examination, and abandon the Economics Tripos (Skidelsky 1983: 166).

Robert Skidelsky (1983: 166) actually points out a very interesting fact:
“[sc. Keynes] … never did take an economics degree. In fact, his total professional training came to little more than eight weeks. All the rest was learnt on the job.”
The greatest economist of the 20th century (at least in my opinion) had no formal economics degree. Are there lessons from this?

Probably that truly great minds do not need formal university degrees to make contributions to the social or natural sciences.

Of course, Keynes also had (1) a great deal of contact with the greatest British economists of his day, (2) much practical experience of government, having worked at the British India Office and Treasury, and (3) a great deal of time to read and reflect on issues that interested him, both as a fellow of King’s College and from 1909 a lecturer in economics (funded by no less than Alfred Marshall, who had a high opinion of Keynes).

I would have liked to say that Keynes’s lack of a formal university degree in economics left his mind open to new ways of economic thinking, but, in the end, I am not really sure this is true. Keynes was imbued with the standard neoclassical theory of his day, mainly from Alfred Marshall. The story of his contribution to economic theory is the gradual emancipation of his mind from neoclassical thinking, which continued to the end of his life, and perhaps was never really complete.

But that does not subtract from the importance of that achievement (for a excellent summary of his work, see Davidson 2009).


BIBLIOGRAPHY

Davidson, Paul. 2009. John Maynard Keynes (rev. edn.), Palgrave Macmillan, Basingstoke.

Moggridge, D. E. 1992. Maynard Keynes: An Economist’s Biography, Routledge, London.

Skidelsky, R. J. A. 1983. John Maynard Keynes: Hopes Betrayed 1883–1920 (vol. 1), Macmillan, London.

6 COMMENTS:

  1. Yep - this is why it was "Mr. Keynes and the Classics" and not "Dr. Keynes and the Classics".

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  2. Lord Keynes: Well, the fact that Keynes was trained as a mathematician and succssfully solved George Boole's Last Challenge Problem IS probably linked to his success as an economist. Dr. Michael Emmett Brady's been making the case for Keynes's mathematical prowess in this working paper below.

    http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1546726

    Also, Lord Keynes, do you remember Dr. Brady's review of Skidelsky's "Hopes Betrayed" on Amazon.com? You've covered it before, and could have cited it in this instance.

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  3. Alan turing didn't have a degree in computer science, nor did Knuth. Many contributions in that field came from people who did not have a degree in CS. There are other examples. I read a lot about Noam Chomsky and he gave a few lectures to engineers. Engineers voluntarily showed up to hear what he had to say about engineering. I'm not somebody who is obsessed with Keynes or anything but I can see how he might have made fundamental contributions without being an economist.

    And for that matter what did Mises/Hayek/Hoppe etc. have their degrees in?

    -successfulbuild

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  4. Doesn't it basically reflect that economics was not an exclusive and specialized area, but a general area open to all who cared to inquire?

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  5. Friedman is at most a partial exception. Hayek, in particular, is still looked at askance even by very right-wing "proper" economists, although they realise that they have to be careful to whom they say these things. It is very much like the attitude of even very conservative "proper" theologians when it comes to C S Lewis or G K Chesterton: they are perhaps vaguely glad that anyone has been pointed in the right direction by having been converted to the former's Mere Christianity or to the latter's Orthodoxy, and they might even have been such people when they were very young indeed, but that is strictly as far as it goes. I am not necessarily endorsing such a view, only pointing out that it is there. And that is also the attitude to Hayek even among those who might be regarded as on the same side as he was.

    Hayek was a political philosopher. One of his doctorates was in political science. The other one was not in economics. Economists are not necessarily being complimentary when they call someone a political philosopher, any more than vice versa. And even as one of those, if Reagan and Thatcher really did believe themselves to have been influenced by Hayek, then, as Enoch Powell said of his own alleged influence over Thatcher, they cannot have understood any of it. Powell is another example of this post's main point, since his only academic background was in Classics generally and Ancient Greek specifically.

    But he had overriding and undergirding social, cultural and political reasons why he wanted the economy to be organised in a certain way. He did not see economics as a positive science. That was why he was influential. And that was why he would never have passed muster as a "proper" economist. Nor would Keynes. Nor would Hayek. Nor, really, would Friedman. Nor, even, would Adam Smith. The only figure of any importance to have held that politics ought to be defined in terms of economics, rather than they other way round, was Marx, so that thus to define is precisely to be a Marxist. But Marx, a lover of philosophy and literature whose father had forced him to do law at university but who was never very good at it, had no academic background in economics, either.

    There was no Keynesian closed shop among economists in the 1970s, but those who screamed themselves to prominence on the claim that there was have now created a neoliberal closed shop with the catastrophic consequences that we now experience, and which we shall continue to experience while almost the only economics taught to undergraduates or published in peer-reviewed journals seriously maintains that the way out of recession is the State's contrivance of even more unemployment and of even less spending power. As we nurse our wounds, we shall remember those who pulled the triggers. But we must not forget those who loaded the guns, or those who manufactured the bullets. Nor will we.

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  6. Alan Turing didn't have a degree in computer science, nor did Knuth. Many contributions in that field came from people who did not have a degree in CS.

    Well, there was good reason for that, that such degrees did not and could not exist. People who found disciplines cannot have degrees in them. The guy who invented the wheel didn't have a degree in rotational motion devices either.

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Thursday, 19 January 2023

Steve Keen

 The wikipedia entry on SK and it looks as if it may require some updating taking in consideration of the two previous post. He has also written something on climate change an economics which is worth consideration. RS.

Steve Keen

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Steve Keen
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Keen in 2013
Born28 March 1953 (age 69)
SydneyNew South Wales, Australia
NationalityAustralian
School or
tradition
Post-Keynesian economicsEcological economics
Influences
ContributionsMathematical models of financial crises and debt-deflation
Information at IDEAS / RePEc

Steve Keen (born 28 March 1953) is an Australian economist and author. He considers himself a post-Keynesian, criticising neoclassical economics as inconsistent, unscientific and empirically unsupported. The major influences on Keen's thinking about economics include John Maynard KeynesKarl MarxHyman MinskyPiero SraffaAugusto GrazianiJoseph Alois SchumpeterThorstein Veblen, and François Quesnay. Hyman Minsky's financial instability hypothesis forms the main basis of his major contribution to economics[1] which mainly concentrates on mathematical modelling and simulation of financial instability. He is a notable critic of the Australian property bubble, as he sees it.

Keen was formerly an associate professor of economics at University of Western Sydney, until he applied for voluntary redundancy in 2013, due to the closure of the economics program at the university.[2] In autumn 2014, he became a professor and Head of the School of Economics, History and Politics at Kingston University in London. He was also a fellow at the Centre for Policy Development.[citation needed] He has since taken retirement and is crowd source funded to undertake independent research as well as being a Distinguished Research Fellow at the Institute for Strategy Resilience & Security, University College London.[3]

Early life and education[edit]

Keen was born in Sydney in 1953. His father was a bank manager. Keen graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in 1974 and a Bachelor of Laws in 1976, both from the University of Sydney. He then completed a Diploma of Education at the Sydney Teachers College in 1977.

In 1990, he completed a Master of Commerce in economics and economic history at the University of New South Wales. He completed his PhD in economics at the University of New South Wales in 1997.[4]

Economics[edit]

Financial instability and debt deflation[edit]

Most of Steve Keen's recent work focuses on modeling Hyman Minsky's financial instability hypothesis and Irving Fisher's debt deflation.[5][6] The hypothesis predicts an overly large private debt to GDP ratio, can cause deflation and depression. Here, the falling of the price level results in a continually rising real quantity of outstanding debt. Moreover, the continued deleveraging of outstanding debts increases the rate of deflation. Thus, debt and deflation act on and react to one another, resulting in a debt-deflation spiral. The outcome is a depression. Steve Keen argues the current global economic crisis[disambiguation needed] is the result of too much private debt.[citation needed]

Debunking Economics[edit]

Keen's full-range critique of neoclassical economics is contained in his book Debunking Economics.[7] Keen presents a wide variety of critiques on neoclassical economic theory. He argues they show neoclassical assumptions which are fundamentally flawed. Keen claims several neoclassical assumptions are empirically unsupported (that is, they are unsupported by observable and repeatable phenomena) nor are they desirable for society at large (that is, they do not necessarily produce either efficiency or equity for the majority). He argues economists' overall conclusions are very sensitive to small changes in these assumptions.

Keen has attempted to counter Karl Marx's theory (in his view Marx's pre-1857 view, specifically) from a post-Keynesian perspective, by arguing machines can add more product-value over their operational lifetime than the total value of depreciation charged "during those asset lives".

For example, the total value of sausages produced by a sausage machine over its useful life might be greater than the value of the machine. Depreciation, he implies, was the weak point in Marx's social accounting system all along. Keen argues all factors of production can add new value to outputs. However he gives credit to Marx for contributing to the "financial instability hypothesis" of Hyman Minsky.[8][full citation needed]

Keen's book closes with a survey of various schools of heterodox economics, concluding "None of these is at present strong enough or complete enough to declare itself a contender for the title of 'the' economic theory of the 21st century." However, he argues neoclassical economics is a degenerative research program, not generating new knowledge. It primarily grows a belt of protective auxiliary hypotheses to shield its core beliefs from critique. There is an accompanying website which provides more detailed mathematical expositions.

Critique of neoclassical theory of the firm[edit]

Keen has challenged the core, elementary textbook neoclassical theories of Perfect competition and Monopoly, and in particular the argument that firms in "perfect competition" and monopolies are usefully thought of as representing polar opposites. Keen has referred to this as "the theory of the firm." Neoclassical textbooks define a firm acting without any strategic awareness of the effect of its output choice on price as representing "perfect competition" and argue that this condition of "perfect competition" can be represented analytically by a horizontal demand curve facing the firm -- the firm acts as if it believes it can sell whatever it produces at the currently prevailing price, but nothing at any higher price; marginal costs for this firm, it is presumed, are rising and the firm does not want to sell more at the current price or a lower price. Something like such a state of affairs, it is sometimes argued, is approached as the number of firms competing in a market approaches infinity and the effect of any one firm's output decision on the overall market price becomes infinitesimal and can be practically disregarded by the individual firm in its decision-making. By contrast a firm with strategic awareness that its output decision markedly affects the market price, faces, presumptively, a downward-sloping demand curve: expanding the rate of output sold depresses market price. In general, elementary neoclassical textbook presentations hold that all "profit-maximizing" firms will set marginal revenue equal to marginal cost. For the firm in "perfect competition", this means price = marginal revenue = marginal cost = average (unit) cost and no profit. For the "monopoly" firm aware that its output choice affects price, the "profit-maximizing" choice is to choose a rate of output where marginal cost = marginal revenue, but in the monopolist's case, that will mean constraining output to raise price above marginal cost.

Keen challenges the theory and pedagogy of the polar opposition of "perfect competition" and "monopoly" from multiple angles, arguing that the traditional theoretical pedagogy is contradictory and incoherent taken as a whole. He shows that the number of firms in a market is practically irrelevant to whether the firm's output choice affects the overall market price in the simplified (and practically unlikely) case of uniform firm cost structures and a downward-sloping market demand curve. He goes on to explore various scenarios by which multiple firms might arrive at an "equilibrium" market price and level of output. Keen further notes that cost structures are rarely uniform and that in the presence of significant economies from scale of production, a so-called "monopoly" realizing such economies of scale would be led to higher output and lower price than a large number of competing firms unable to realize such economies of scale. Keen also takes note of empirical evidence that many actual business firms are producing in a range of output where marginal cost may be less than average cost and falling, and firms openly desire to produce and sell more at current prices.[9]

Keen's article on "profit maximisation, industry structure, and competition"[10] has had counter-arguments by Paul Anglin.[11] Chris Auld has additionally claimed to show that Keen & Standish's arguments are inconsistent with standard assumptions used in perfect competition, and their analysis uses calculus improperly.[12]

Politics[edit]

In August 2015, Keen endorsed Jeremy Corbyn's campaign in the Labour Party leadership election.[13] As of October 2021, Keen plans to run as a senate candidate in the 2022 Australian federal election for The New Liberals in New South Wales.[14][15]

Views on the UK's EU referendum[edit]

Keen was in favour of the UK leaving the European Union, stating mainstream economists were over-certain and exaggerating the likely effects following the country's withdrawal. Keen regards the open-borders free-movement policy of the EU as precipitate and unsustainable in the absence of a common fiscal policy; all the more so, given how migrants impose burdens on public services in destination countries also experiencing austerity.

He also states the Euro is destined to fail, not least because of the way it penalises recession-hit countries unable to pursue expansive fiscal policy, and indeed considers the whole EU project as a failed one destined for[16] collapse.[17]

Minsky software project[edit]

Recently, Keen commissioned the development of a software package called Minsky[18] for visually modelling national economies, in a way that is intended to be more accurate than mainstream macroeconomic models – which he contends do not properly include debt and banking. He envisages it being used for both educational and research purposes.

The first phase of the development was funded by an academic research grant, as is typical for academic research projects – but in February 2013 Keen launched a crowdfunding project on Kickstarter to allow members of the public to contribute towards taking MINSKY to the next level of development.[19] In the first 24 hours, this project raised approximately 15% of its funding target, and has since fully achieved its initial funding goal of $50,000.00.

Criticism[edit]

Matthijs Krul[20] maintains that Keen, while broadly accurate in his criticism of the neoclassical synthesis, generally misrepresents Marx's views in Debunking Economics and in earlier work when asserting that, in the production of commodities, machinery produces more value than it costs.[21]

Austrian School economists Robert P. Murphy and Gene Callahan claim Keen's 2001 book "suffers from many of the very faults of which he accuses the mainstream". They also claim that much of his work is "ideologically motivated even while criticising neoclassical economics for being ideological". They praise his critique of perfect competition and his chapter on dynamic vs. static models, whilst they criticise his attempts at objective value theory and what they claim is his misrepresentation of the Austrian School interpretation of Say's law.[22]

Other publications[edit]

See also[edit]

References[edit]

  1. ^ Keen, Steve The Debtwatch Manifesto 2012 http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/manifesto/
  2. ^ "Debtwatch economist Steve Keen takes UWS to Fair Work Commission, but uni gets ready to fire back". 20 January 2013.
  3. ^ ISRS, UCL staff
  4. ^ Economic growth and financial instability
  5. ^ The Roving Cavaliers of Credit
  6. ^ Steve Keen (1995): "Finance and economic breakdown: modelling Minsky’s Financial Instability Hypothesis", Journal of Post Keynesian Economics, Vol. 17, No. 4, 607–635
  7. ^ Debunking Economics: The Naked Emperor of the Social Sciences (2001, Pluto Press Australia) ISBN 1-86403-070-4
  8. ^ Keen, Steve The Debtwatch Manifesto 2012 http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/manifesto/
  9. ^ Keen, Steve; Standish, Russell (26 June 2010). "Debunking the theory of the firm—a chronology" (PDF)Real-World Economics Review (53): 56–94.
  10. ^ Steve Keen & Russel Standish (2006):"Profit Maximization, Industry Structure, and Competition: A critique of neoclassical theory" Archived 2 November 2006 at the Wayback MachinePhysica A 370: 81–85
  11. ^ Paul Anglin (2008): On the proper behavior of atoms: A comment on a critique Physica A 387: 277–280
  12. ^ Chris Auld (2012): Steve Keen still butchering basic microeconomics
  13. ^ "The Labour party stands at a crossroads"The Guardian. 14 August 2015. Retrieved 15 July 2017.
  14. ^ van Onselen, Leith (24 September 2021). "Steve Keen announces Senate run"MacroBusiness. Retrieved 16 October2021.
  15. ^ How bad is the political situation in Australia right now?archived from the original on 12 December 2021, retrieved 16 October 2021
  16. ^ Unia to tonący statek/Rzeczpospolita/2016/09/29[failed verification]
  17. ^ "What Next After Brexit?"Forbes.
  18. ^ "Minsky"IDEA Economics: Institute for Dynamic Economic Analysis. Retrieved 21 November 2019.
  19. ^ Steve Keen (2013). "Kickstarter project". Retrieved 10 February 2013.
  20. ^ Steve Keen’s Critique of Marx’s Theory of Value: A Rejoinder
  21. ^ Keen, S., "Use-value, Exchange-value, and the Demise of Marx's Labor Theory of Value", Journal of the History of Economic Theory, 15 (Spring 1993).
  22. ^ Review of Austrian Economics 2003 – http://www.gmu.edu/depts/rae/archives/VOL16_4_2003/6_BR_Murphy.pdf

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